Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It?

Howdy all!

I've reduced my car driving to about a fifth of what it used to be.  I'm commuting by bicycle about 12 miles per day, all told.  I've noticed some things as I've done this, and surprise surprise!  This has changed some of my policy views.

We need more bike lanes.  We need more bike lanes.  We need more bike lanes.

And we may need to change how we educate budding new drivers.  Seriously!  This ain't easy.

Read on?

A coworker of mine is from Brazil.  Apparently their equivalent of drivers-education includes a lot of focus on bicyclists.  It even goes so far as to stress that car drivers should actually defer to cyclists if need be.  I can barely imagine what that must be like.

A bike lane is about as wide as a shoulder.  It isn't that hard to create them.  Remember, every person you see riding a bike isn't driving a car.  If they've got their own space then they aren't clogging up your automotive commute.

It's interesting.  You don't need every road to have a bike lane.  I can handle riding with traffic so long as it doesn't go much faster than 35 mph.  However, in heavy traffic or faster traffic areas we need more bike lanes.

Mass transit needs to better accomodate bicyclists too.  Sometimes I see a bike rack on an Akron bus, sometimes I don't.  Amtrak tries to accomodate bikes, but they're not that great at it.  Depending on the train you can either rack it or you actually have to box it and check it.  It's nuts.

As our society comes to grips with the ever increasing cost of energy I think we'll see more and more people commute this way.  We do not need to legislate it, but we do need to facilitate it.

Oh, and wholly separate from any political issues, more empoyers need showers.  Seriously.  I hate coming in to work sweaty.

Any other cyclists?  Drivers with an axe to grind?



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Tips? (2.00 / 23)

For biking?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:07:53 PM EST

This totally deserves to be on the rec list (2.00 / 2)

It certainly needs to be there more than yet another rehashing of the pimary.  The only thing that keeps me reading DKos is the diversity of issues on the rec list.  MyDD could use a bit more of that.

Thanks for posting this.


by protothad on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:58:38 PM EST
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Re: This totally deserves to be on the rec list (2.00 / 1)

You are certainly welcome.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:10:47 PM EST
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Re: This totally deserves to be on the rec list (none / 0)

Reaperbot

Hugs 2u for this post. It's just the nicest thing to see after months of primary. Thank you.

12 dogs.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:21:33 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (2.00 / 4)

Hey. I did this. I was a whoooollleee lot younger but it's really great in the spring, fall, and the drier winters. Trouble is in the summers here because it gets so hot.

Tips?

Wear reflector strips would be the first. I know you'll wear a helmet that goes without saying but the reflective strips don't always get a notice.

Educating the driver as to driver/bicyclist safty rules?

Ah the memories. Nothing like going up hill with a car trying to get around you. LOL. I used to just pull over and let them by. Which on two lane country roads can be down right exciting.

Dunno about this. Guess it depends on your area.

Would your local bike shops/radio stations sponsor consumer safty tips for the motorist/bicyclist?  What about the school system? The public and private schools here all encourage so many hours of community volunteer projects. They might coordinate with you on a bike safety programs for the community.

As for the showers. Yep.

Do they have a local YMCA were folks go to run/walk before work? They should have lockers and showers. Maybe there's Y or a gym that you could join. Would give you a place to store your clothes. Plus I think you wrote that you were a law student wwaaaayyy back on one of our first comment exchanges. You can get a student discount. Now that I think of it your student status at the school might give you a place to shower/dress on campus.

There are communities in our state and other southern states who have responded to the bike rider. Auburn University in Alabama had a big to do about their bike path system that was built so students at the university could bike from the community to school safely. There is another community in Georgia in which transportation in the town is either golf carts, walking, or bicycling. We've been reading about the rails to trails movement. That is great because it is ONLY pedestrians and bicycles. I'd love that because the old railroad bed runs from out in our community to the next city.  

Apparently our area of the state is very popular for serious bike riders who train out on the two lane country roads. You don't see them much in the city though. No bike paths.

(Oh and a bit of happy related news. There is news of grant money to extend mass transit (bus line) out into our county. I am very happy about this. We are a rural area right next to a small city. This bus line would be great for commuters and the elderly who live out in the country.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:02:11 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (2.00 / 1)

Rec'd this diary because of the sense of community it fosters and because of the subject matter.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:17:15 PM EST
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Good to hear! (none / 0)

It's nice to get a different perspective, and this Yankee hasn't been farther south than Tennessee (hikin' at Cataloochee).

I walk to work, or take the bus (summer is hot. hate summer. wish could wear shorts to work).

I get annoyed when the bikes are on the sidewalks "for safety's sake" -- not caring about anyone on a wheelchair or someone with low mobility -- there's a reason they're supposed to be on the road.

Word to the wise: if you aren't retired, you might want to think about moving closer to work (this goes particularly down south, where people spend more of their income on gas -- up to 15% on average in some states). Best to move now, before the property taxes crater.

Good things about bikes: no worrying about speed traps.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:03:35 AM EST
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Re: Good to hear! (none / 0)

You know why I just love diaries like this one? They let us all get a chance to get to know each other. It's really nice after the fussing to share our common interests. To see how much we have in common. Thanks. I'd rec again if I could.

Speaking of. Hey ya Rising Tide.

Rising Tide come south for vacation. Our winters are mild so I'm told that folks like to train here because of the terrain/weather/lack of traffic. Mostly cross country racing. Plus there's a good balance of nature and history. NOOO not just Civil War history. There's all kinds of history and really nice hiking and boating.

LOL and I don't work for the Tourist Board.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:50:54 PM EST
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Re: Tips? (none / 0)

I live near DC, and commuted once (into DC) by bike.  Only once.  I got hit by a car my second day on the job.  By an Iraq war veteran no less.  Since?  I take the Metro.

If there were ANY bike lanes I'd use the hell out of them.  As it is, there aren't even sidewalks most places outside DC.  And they wonder why the traffic is so bad here?


by Skalite on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:07:22 AM EST
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Re: Tips? (none / 0)

Ah hugs to you Skalite. I am sorry to learn this. Good news is that your metro is beautiful. When we used it the metro was so clean and new looking. Very bright and cheerful. The people were nice too.  

You know even if you don't commute, there are folks who vacation with their bikes. One fella I know would take the train/plane to the general region he wanted to visit then spend the rest of his vacation on bike. There are some nice places down south and we have the advantage of moderate winters. I'm told that there are folks who bike race who train in the south because of the combination of terrain/weather/and our realatively low traffic. They train for cross country races and it isn't unusual to see "packs" of bike riders out in the country during the winter. Since we share our roads with all kinds of transportation, think tractors, horses and even a covered wagon, perhaps we're learning to accomodate.

It's pretty here to walk/ride and there is history in this region too that isn't just CivilWar. The terrain is varied: very hilly with a small mountain area in the north and flat along the coast. Come visit us. We are as a rule generally curious and friendly too.

Nope I don't work for the tourist board but the south is so beautiful. Worth a visit.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 04:15:15 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

I'm a pedestrian and mass transit user with an axe to grind.
More bike lanes? A great idea. I'm for it, I'll sign a petition to get it on the ballot and I'll vote to fund it.
Critical Mass? The wrong way to lobby for bicycle-friendly policies. Every driver that gets stuck in traffic, burning off $5/gallon gas, and then shows up late for dinner with his or her family will forever hold a grudge against bicyclists. Dido for the guy (me) who gets stuck in that pointless mess while on a BUS.

All that aside, I wholeheartedly agree that drivers need to learn how to drive more carefully in the presence of bikers and pedestrians. This should be a basic component of any driver training!


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by LandStander on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:27:21 PM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

If bike lanes are done correctly, it should make for less traffic messes, not more.  Remember, every bike on the road is one less car.


by protothad on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:00:57 PM EST
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"One less car" (none / 0)

Indeed.  My father rode 10 miles to work when it was warm enough for 20 years, and even had a shirt that said "one less car."  If you have a shower at your workplace, it's a wonderfully efficient way to get exercise.


by username on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:44:50 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Are you up to it?
no. This isn't plausible for me. This isn't plausible for most people.


by soyousay on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:33:12 PM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 3)


no. This isn't plausible for me. This isn't plausible for most people.

Perhaps, but even if 5 or 10 percent of all current commuters started biking it, it would put a serious dent in our dependence on foreign oil, and wouldn't hurt in the health area either.  More mass transit, more carpooling, incentives for hybrid and EV vehicles, improved fuel economy standards... none are a silver bullet but all are part of the solution.


by protothad on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:46:29 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

it would put a serious dent in our dependence on foreign oil
Bike riding is a great way to get into shape but I personally can't stand bikes on the roads during rush hour unless there are bike lanes and for the most part, there aren't. Also, I doubt that it would put a "serious dent" as you suggest.


by soyousay on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:38:36 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 5)

Depends on how many people make the switch.  The price of gas could make long commutes economically unrealistic for many people, especially at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale, a big demographic.  A large tank of gas is now more than $100 in many areas.  If we see $5 and maybe even $10/gallon in coming years, people will be spending huge percentages of their paycheck just to get to work.  This could spark a massive return to the cities, where biking to work is more realistic.  Not everyone will be happy with this, but necessity is the mother of a lot of things.

I've also got to take issue with

This isn't plausible for most people.
More than 93% of the total U.S. population lives in a metropolitan area.  Commuter transport is available to a significant portion of those people, and is generally far more efficient than cars( A full commuter train gets the rough equivalent of 400-500 miles/gallon/passenger if you convert to a car's locomotive ability.  If said transport allows bikes on, which an increasing number are, that's maybe 50-60% of people who can at least partially bike to work.


by semiquaver on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:03:56 PM EST
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I also have to take issue (2.00 / 1)

in re: plausabililty.  

Albeit, I live in Chicago - a quite bike friendly city - and have been pretty much living on the bike since I moved into the city proper fifteen years ago.

I commute, run errands, go to shows, parties, events ect... all on two wheels.  If you have the proper gear (rain gear, a good bag or racks with paniers) I think you will find it very easy to manage without a vehicle.


by UrbanRedneck on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:24:16 AM EST
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Re: I also have to take issue (2.00 / 1)

me too -- I think we might be spoiled, since while a son of people live near a big city, not nearly as many actually live in one.  

On the other hand, my other hometown has roughly 200,000 people and is even easier to bike around in.  The main people who will have serious problems adapting to a cycle commute are those that live in a rural area and those that live in the suburbs, which again, some people are saying might not be nearly as popular in the future -- real estate values are plummeting in most of them while in cities, they're still going up.


by semiquaver on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:46:20 PM EST
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Good for you (none / 0)

Go for it. Like I said, it's not plausible for me.


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:21:07 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

rural Americans can't switch due to distance but if city dwellers are willing to do so...great. Make sure you wear your helmet :D


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:26:35 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Don't make such blanket generalizations.  I agree that most rural Americans can't, but many may live 5-6 miles out of town, like I did for 20 years, and this is a reasonable commute for someone who is committed to it.    

Part of solving the climate crisis before us is expanding our view of what is possible.  Does it make more sense to pay too much money for our automobiles and spew pollution, or to try something different, help the planet, stay in shape, and deal better with stress?  I have either exclusively or partially bicycle commuted for 6 of the last 10 years.  It isn't that hard, if it is plausible, which, I acknowledge, it isn't for everyone. So don't pooh-pah bike commuting.  When fuel prices keep going up, you will see a lot more of us.  Just keep an eye out.
And I agree, every cyclist should wear a helmet.


by nwgates on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:56:12 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Don't make such blanket generalizations.
...and then for the most part you agree :D (see below)
 I agree that most rural Americans can't, but many may live 5-6 miles out of town, like I did for 20 years, and this is a reasonable commute for someone who is committed to it.

IMO, there needs to be advancements made when it comes to mass transit. Many countries already do this. Take Germany for example; easy to get around - trains.


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:09:03 PM EST
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Yes, and as a bike rider myself, i am always shocked to see how few riders actually do wear a helmet.  As if riding weren't already scary enough.

More bike lanes, and also, more bike racks!  It is such a pain if you don't have a secure safe place to lock your bike.


by theKK on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:59:37 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 4)

I personally can't stand bikes on the roads during rush hour

Replace each cyclist you honk at and almost hit by another car between you and the next yellow light.
by username on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:47:05 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 3)

Ha! If 5% of all commuter started biking, of course it would put a serious dent. Cars contribute to a huge percentage of oil usage.

Plus - a healthier population tends to use less carbon (the healthcare industry is very carbon intensive).


by Lance Bryce on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:25:03 AM EST
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Good luck with that (none / 0)

Ok. I appreciate your sacrifice. It's impossible for me to do though.


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:22:40 PM EST
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Re: Good luck with that (2.00 / 1)

Why, exactly, is it impossible?

I know people who commute more then 40 miles round-trip on the bike every day; I know folks who have bad backs or knees who use recumbents to commute.  


by Lawyerish on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:10:49 PM EST
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Re: Good luck with that (none / 0)

It's impossible because it's illegal to ride a bike on the highway and that's the shortest way; it takes approx. 50 minutes to get to work by car. You assume everyone's situation is about the same which is ridiculous.


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:01:42 PM EST
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Re: Good luck with that (none / 0)

No, I don't assume that.  Why not move closer to where you work?  Why not get a job closer to where you live?

It's all a question of priorities.  If it's a priority for you to spend 2 hours of your day, 5 days a week, wasting your life in a car, sitting in traffic or whatever, great.  But to claim that some people (outside of the severely disabled) 'can't' ride a bike is not true; they just don't want to.


by Lawyerish on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:44:15 PM EST
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Re: Good luck with that (none / 0)

Why not move closer to where you work?
I have my reasons but I'd prefer not to post them.
Why not get a job closer to where you live?
I have my reasons but I'd prefer not to post them.
It's all a question of priorities.
Exactly...and my priorities and life situation is most likely very diferent then yours. Since you don't know the details of my life, you cannot fairly judge my situation.


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:34:03 PM EST
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Re: Good luck with that (2.00 / 1)

hey soyousay,

Just like the old saw about there being "more than one way to skin a cat"? There is more than one way to conserve energy. All kinds of ways. We were taught that  cumulative conservation can be a powerful thing. It's nice to be able to talk to folks who ride their bikes or a regular basis. Good way to get answers to problems and also find comraderie. You don't have to do it to appreciate it. The thing is that a cumulative effort all total will save energy.

Around my house? I'm a great believer in natural light, turning off appliances when not in use, stacking errands. I love mass trans in the city. Dunno why but people are always really friendly towards us. Alot of it has to do with our accents I guess. When ever it's mentioned I always try to smile and be extra friendly and even the folks who might initially make fun seem to come our way. Anyway, soyousay, you don't have to ride a bike to conserve. It's just one way. For alot of folks it's good fun too.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:15:12 PM EST
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the end of suburbs is near (none / 0)

sell now. (not totally serious, but the exurbs are gone, five years tops)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:05:05 AM EST
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Re: the end of suburbs is near (2.00 / 1)

Seriously.  If you live in a more distant suburb and are thinking about selling in the next 5 years, do your self a favor and don't wait.


by semiquaver on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:52:34 PM EST
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Re: the end of suburbs is near (none / 0)

heh


by soyousay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:23:35 PM EST
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Maybe not (2.00 / 5)

But there are still things you can do, regardless of where you live.

I live in a town of 8,000 people, and there's a whole lot of nothing between me and the next town (either 3,000 people, to the north, or 20,000 to the south). Even still, I don't drive.

How do I do this? I walk and bicycle while I'm in town, and I find other people who are driving and carpool if I have to go elsewhere. Pretty much any friend will go a few blocks out of their way if you offer to help pay for gas, and you're helping the environment and use less oil.

Can't carpool either? I know of people who have managed to organize longer workdays in exchange for only working four days a week, or who have switched over to telecommuting all-together.

... And there are still more ways of saving energy and saving money, unless you're in a very unique situation. It's fine if you can't bicycle, but everyone can find ways to conserve energy.


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by Fitzy on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:43:35 PM EST
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Re: Maybe not (2.00 / 1)

The shorter week is what some of the county work force now do. The county work force loves the longer weekends and the county government saves money. The state government has flexible hours.

As for the hassle of needing a shower. There are folks that work in the nearest city who've joined the City Y. They go to the Y to work out or exercise at lunch. You might be able to join a city gym and then have a place to store your gear and take a shower. Plus you get to use their swimming pools and exercise classes too. Just a thought.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:02:01 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Why not?


by username on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:45:26 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 3)

The sweat and showers thing is a real problem in white-collar jobs.

When I drove a bus, I commuted by bike (25 minutes, six hilly miles each way) for about a year and loved it. I've never been in better shape (even though now I work out 90 minutes a day), and no one on the road has more flexibility than a bicyclist.

But today, working in an office and frequently needing to be presentable, it would be a real problem. I don't often have time for a shower when I get in, and I also don't particularly feel like managing the logistics of having unwrinkled, varied work clothes in the office.

Fortunately it's not an issue for me now as I live less than two blocks from work. (Don't shoot me.)


by dal20402 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:39:06 PM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

I biked quite a ways to work for one of my summer jobs in college, and I was very glad they had showers there.  I've biked to work occasionally since then, but never so long a commute that a shower was necessary.  Every time I've moved or changed jobs I've shortened my commute, until finally I am self employed and working from home.


by protothad on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:12:39 PM EST
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TRY SEERSUCKER! (2.00 / 1)

... the good ol' southern way to keep cool and presentable.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:08:30 AM EST
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Panniers! (2.00 / 1)

AKA Saddlebags.  My work clothes, including occasionally a 3-piece suit, stay unwrinkled and don't add any real trouble to my commute at all.

Usually 5 minutes in the bathroom is enough to dry off, even on the worst sweat days.  A package of baby wipes does the job too.


by Lawyerish on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:12:27 PM EST
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My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (2.00 / 9)

I swear that is the only explanation for how invisible some drivers treat me when I am on my bike.  Its not enough of a problem to keep me from biking, I just ride like I'm invisible (i.e. very defensively), and it all works out.  My girlfriend complains about the same problem when she is on her motorcycle BTW.  Too many drivers just do not seem to notice anything smaller than the typical gas swilling auto.

I have noticed more and more people biking it now that gas is getting so expensive.  Also, motorized scooters are getting very popular around here.


by protothad on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 09:52:54 PM EST

Re: My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (2.00 / 2)

LOL protothad. I missed the subject heading at first. Where do you get one of those?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:11:32 PM EST
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Re: My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (2.00 / 2)

I think it comes standard on most bikes.  Most drivers have sensors that penatrate the field, but far too many seem completely fooled by it.  :-/


by protothad on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:14:52 PM EST
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Re: My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (2.00 / 1)

I've learned, at least around here, that if I drive like I belong on the road most people will act like I do.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:16:28 PM EST
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Re: My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (2.00 / 1)

An engineering professor did an informal study a few years back by bringing a laser rangefinder with a recorder on his morning commute to see how much room cars afforded him when driving by.  Surprisingly, he found that, on average, cars gave him significantly less room while he was helmeted, possibly because drivers think people without helmets are psychotic.  He also tried wearing a long blond wig to look like a girl and received significantly more room.


by semiquaver on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:13:26 PM EST
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rofl (none / 0)

yeah... blondes aren't known for being good drivers.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:09:35 AM EST
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Re: My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (none / 0)

Houston?  That's where I learned that biking amongst the broken beer bottles beats biking amongst the oblivious beer-swillers.


by username on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:50:33 PM EST
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Re: My bike has a Romulan cloaking field (none / 0)

I can totally relate to the invisibility.

In an effort to reduce invisibility and put drivers on notice Chicago recently enacted two laws that tickets drivers for passing/driving within like a meter of a bicyclist and slaps them with hefty fines for opening a door (dooring) in front of a rider ($500.00 if it results in an accident).

While there is a lot of concern as to how - or even whether - these will be enforced, the riding community here finds the steps largely positive.


by UrbanRedneck on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:30:57 AM EST
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I can't (2.00 / 1)

I work 32 miles from my house. I would have to leave at like 6am to get to work on time.

Besides, ever tried riding a Huffy on the Long Island Expressway?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:16:31 PM EST

Re: I can't (none / 0)

Nope!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:16:54 PM EST
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think long and hard (none / 0)

about moving. particularly if you own a house. property values will crater within two years (subtract off your gas bill times thirty from housing prices)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:10:55 AM EST
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Therein lies the problem (none / 0)

I live at home, in my mom and dad's basement, because, well, Long Island is a really expense place to live and I don't make that much money.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:24:56 AM EST
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talk to them about moving? (none / 0)

;-)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:28:54 AM EST
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That would be nice (none / 0)

but we live in New York City, where taxes are reasonable and I work in Nassau County, Long Island where they are, like, not.

Most of my childhood friends and their families fled from where we are to Long Island a decade or two ago. Most regret it.

The goal is to move as close to the Queens/Nassau border as possible.

It's amazing how half my commute in the morning is just to GET to that border.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:36:33 AM EST
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Nice diary... (2.00 / 1)

The biking scene here would be good if it wasn't so damn hot in the summer (I live in Phx, AZ). but I live downtown and work downtown so my drive to work is maybe 10 minutes on a bad day, and whenever I head to sports games, I tend to take public transport. I also don't leave downtown alot, so generally I keep the gas usage low. And we're having a new light rail system running in December, which will be somewhat useful (although more in the future when expanded).


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:21:23 PM EST

Pfft...what Phoenix is building ain't (none / 0)

"light rail," it's a ground-level trolley track that has to stop for red lights.

Which, in my view, makes it doubly awesome (I ADORE trolleys), but it's not light rail.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:00:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You can bike (none / 0)

try good wicking clothing (particularly ex officio, which has spf).


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:12:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Bike lanes (2.00 / 3)

Great diary, thanks for writing it.  I don't own a car anymore, since I'm fortunate to spend most of my time in a pair of cities that both have excellent biking facilities.  Chicago in particular has pretty decent bike lanes on the big streets and encourages cyclists to bring their bikes on the subway (though restrictions apply during the worst of rush hour when cars are packed) and every bus has a rack for two bikes, making the whole city much more easily reachable than on foot, without even requiring a seriously long ride if you don't want to.  

It even goes so far as to stress that car drivers should actually defer to cyclists if need be
IL recently changed state law from requiring cyclists to stay as far to the right in their lane as possible to allowing bikers to remain as far to the left as they like, acting exactly like a car (in practice it's extremely rude to not let cars and faster bikes pass).  It also requires cars to give 3 feet of clearance when passing a bike, although due to lack of publicity and enforcement this is widely ignored.

The wikipedia article on bike safety is full of interesting tidbits on the issue, including some counterintuitive ones which I've tried to incorporate into my biking style:

The authors of the Drivers' perceptions of cyclists research report[3] concluded that:

   ... it is clear that motorists hold negative views about cyclists and tend to view cycle users as an `out group' with significantly different characteristics from most road users ... the `out group' status of cyclists brings with it a tendency among drivers to impute the poor or incompetent behaviour of some cyclists to all cyclists.

   ...the effect of infrastructure that clearly defines ownership of space, in the case of these experiments the provision of cycle lanes in the virtual reality worlds, appears to increase driver confidence and, hence, potentially risky behaviour, such as higher vehicle speeds and less speed reduction when encountering cyclists..

You should be the most alert when approaching intersections; here it's especially important that you consider staying as far left in the lane as is feasible:

The majority, 73% according to UK data, of car/cyclist collisions occur at junctions or "junction type" locations. Analysis of T-junction [8] and Roundabout[9] collisions has indicated that failure to yield by entering motorists is a significant accident type. Other significant collision types involve turning-motorists failing to yield to oncoming cyclists and so-called "hook" or "overtake and turn" type maneuvers. Expert opinion has it that, having taken due account of the nature and speed of any following traffic, cyclists may best protect themselves from such collisions by adopting a prominent road position approaching junctions.

This has two functions: first, it places the cyclist where drivers are actively looking. This can reduce the likelihood of what is called a SMIDSY, an acronym formed from the motorists' common response of "Sorry mate, I didn't see you". Second, motorists must "overtake" so may be discouraged from simply driving past the cyclist and then turning across them. Similarly, away from junctions, a prominent position correctly communicates the space the cyclist needs and makes passing a matter of overtaking properly, rather than squeezing past. Additionally most minor injuries to cyclists, possibly up to 85%, result from simple falls[10]. Arguably, keeping out from the curb also keeps the cyclist away from potential hazards such as drainage grates, gutters, potholes, roadside debris, loose gravel and glass etc. However, a sense of caution is required, what works in urban conditions for someone like a young adult sports-cyclist may not work for someone else who is less able or experienced. As with all road users, cyclists should try to exercise common sense and use gradual experience to build up to new traffic situations.

John Forrester, a cycling activist, developed a system called Effective Cycling, a form of Vehicular Cycling, in the 70s which focuses on being assertive, obeying all vehicular rules and maintaining visibility.  He opposes segregated cycling facilities like bike paths and bike lanes because these cause motorists to ignore cyclists, which can put them as increased risk.  According to Forrester, segregated facilities also prevent cyclists from being comfortable in traffic, which is important since anyone who's more than extremely casual must be accustomed to safely navigate among cars, as the law in most places prohibits biking on sidewalks so one needs to bike on the street to even reach the facilities.


  1. Use the correct half of the road, and not the sidewalk (or pavement).
  2. Yield to other traffic as required.
  3. Yield when moving laterally across the road.
  4. Choose the correct lane and position within the lane at intersections and their approaches, based on your destination. For example, a cyclist planning to go straight through an intersection should avoid getting stuck in a right-turn-only lane, where it is easy to get clobbered by a right-turning car; a cyclist in a through-traffic lane may get a few surprised looks but will probably not get hit. Choosing the correct lane and position often involves taking the lane when the lane is not wide enough for a car and a bike side by side.
  5. Between intersections move away from the curb based on speed relative to other traffic and effective lane width.

Forester sums up Effective Cycling with what he calls the vehicular cycling (VC) principle: "Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles." This injunction is consistent with the rules of the road, which generally apply to all types of drivers of vehicles. The VC principle is often misunderstood to mean "act like you're a car". At most, it means to act like a driver of a low-powered motorcycle. Forester's injunction speaks not only to cyclist behavior but also to the way cyclists should be treated by motorists, police, and road engineers.

Forester generally opposes facilities (such as bicycle lanes) which he contends encourage behavior that is contrary to the vehicular cycling practices. This contention is challenged by those who believe that such segregated facilities increase cyclist safety (or at least increase the number of bicyclists).

I'm not sure if I agree with him entirely, especially since my city has pretty extensive bike lanes on major streets and I use them a lot.  Sometimes traffic is just too heavy to comfortably coexist and besides, it's a good feeling to whiz past all the cars during rush hour :)  Car doors opening are a major hazard of the lanes though and I know at least one person who was pretty seriously injured because of one.

Oh, and wholly separate from any political issues, more empoyers need showers.  Seriously.  I hate coming in to work sweaty.

The white collar dilemma of sweat management is a big stumbling block for some people, but I personally find a shower after a ride is unnecessary if you're in shape and it's not too hot.  I manage my 3 mile ride by wearing a  sacrifice t-shirt on the way there and rolling up the slacks to keep cool, prevent grease stains and stop them getting stuck in the gears (responsible for at least one wipeout in the past).  I'll get to work shiny, but drinking lots of cold water gets me back to normal in 10 minutes or so.

Mechanically, biking makes nearly 100% efficient use of your muscle output, compared with a dramatically lower figure for walking.  Biking at 10-15 mph, using only the energy required to walk, is the most energy-efficient means of transport generally available.  It's great exercise and requires no fuel except the calories you'd rather burn anyways.  I think that it's going to be much more important to us in the future.  Thanks again for writing this diary.


by semiquaver on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:48:14 PM EST

Try pants that you can unzip (none / 0)

the legs and have shorts!

I walk two miles to work, and I HATE bikes who insist on being on the sidewalk. I know someone who put a stick or two through bike wheels... "accidentally"


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:15:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Great diary - used to bike to work (2.00 / 3)

when my commute afforded a bike-friendly route (from San Francisco to Sausalito and back, over the GG Bridge.) I was also training for a bicycle trip to Ireland.

Now that it's over, and I work in a different locale, I am just too chicken to mix it up with the cars.

But boy it was fun to bike to work. You see the world in whole different way, and biking actually works your upper body because you are balancing.

Reaper what part of the country are you in?


by catfish2 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:48:22 PM EST

Re: Great diary - used to bike to work (1.80 / 5)

I commute from Cuyahoga Falls (Ohio) to Akron (Ohio).


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:00:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Lucky you can bike (2.00 / 2)

And that is very interesting about your Brazilian friend.

The Bicycle Coalitions here lobbied to get bike lanes included in the new bay bridge eastern span, which is great. But we should lobby to get that in our driver's education curriculum too.


by catfish2 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:05:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great diary - used to bike to work (2.00 / 1)

Kevin 22262, how in the name of all that's holy did I deserve a TR for telling people where I live and work?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:46:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great diary - used to bike to work (none / 0)

That's probably the strangest TR I've seen since I've been here!  Please tell us, Kevin?


by markjay on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:40:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great diary - used to bike to work (none / 0)

Maybe he really hates *checks wikipedia* ... the Akron Aeros?
by semiquaver on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:00:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Great Diary! (2.00 / 3)

I did a bike/bus into work when I lived in CA - I was lucky that I worked in a clinic, and my boss let me leave a uniform at work.  (I'm military - biking with a pair of combat boots wasn't something I wanted to try!)  So it worked out well there.  On military intallations, bikers are required to wear a reflective vest.  It worked pretty well.  I'm trying to get up to biking in here - no bus route, and it's 18 miles, but I'll still have shower facilities.

Great to see other people who do this, too - it gives me more motivation!


by NoBlinkers on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:48:41 PM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

OK I used to commute as part of a training regime. But given what I was training for - ultra distance cycling events, bike lanes never became a concern nor did speed of traffic.

However, I also live in New England which seems to be more bike friendly than some places. I've ridden in LA which was the worst and NYC and Westchester County, NY which wasn't much better.

Personally I wasn't nor am I all that fond of bike lanes because I feel bikes are vehicles too. Play by the rules of cars get used to the traffic, use hand signals and you will survive.

Next if commuting LIGHTS!


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:48:52 PM EST

My internship is... (2.00 / 3)

ten minutes away by foot--probably five or less if I biked it.  All the jobs I've applied for are further away, but still within easy biking distance.  There's only one problem: thanks to a bad bike accident when I was twelve, I'm terrified of bikes!  I haven't ridden a bike in almost a decade.

Nonetheless, I've vowed that if I get one of the jobs I applied for, I'm going to get back on a bike this summer.  I'm not willing to pay $4.20 a gallon for my phobia.  If I can't have it for free, I don't want it.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:05:33 PM EST

Especially... (none / 0)

since my eighty-year-old grandfather bikes fifteen miles a day...even after breaking his pelvis in a bike accident a few years back.  It makes me look a bit ridiculous.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:42:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Great diary! (2.00 / 1)

I used to ride 30 plus miles a day, until I started in the line of work that I am in.

I am a telecom/comp service and install tech. There is no possible way for me to commute by bike since I often go straight to job sites.

I drive 30,000 to 50,000 miles a year and have been doing so for the last 20 years.

I hope more people start doing what you are doing!

So what are some of the policy views that have changed for you?

Twice in the last 20 years, I have worked in one place in downtown Seattle, so I rode Sound Transit express buses and commuter trains... Loved It!

That experience helped me to notice something strange. On colder and wetter days the car traffic is always worse. I know the weather plays a part in this but I noticed that less people rode the bus and train on these days. I guess they don't want to be cold... or get wet....

BABIES!  :)


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:27:13 PM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Love the diary and the comments on this diary. I have enjoyed all your diaries this week Reaper...it seems you're on a roll!

I lived in Puerto Rico and mostly biked for fun in the mountains or the beaches. People drive like nuts over there so I'd rather pay the high gas prices than get trampled by cars. The last time I tried driving in traffic I got rearended by a car and was sent flying through the air. I landed hard but luckily only escaped with major road rash and some stitches.

Now I have an apartment in Manhattan but work in the Bronx ( I know, it's usually the other way around) so I can't really bike to work. The times I've tried to bike in the city I'll last 3 or 4 blocks before I give up scared and nervous as hell. I don't have a car (subway for me!) so I'm not really complaining about gas prices (nah! nah! nah! nah! nah!). Maybe I'll give the bike thing a shot on the weekends and see how things progress from there. I'll keep you posted!


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:37:03 PM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Love the diary and the comments on this diary. I have enjoyed all your diaries this week Reaper

Did I mention the word diary? LOL!

I better go get some caffeine. I'm slipping and I get off at 6. Be right back.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:38:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - (2.00 / 2)

I wonder, do you think I'm good enough at this to actually start a real blog?

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking about it.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:41:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Of course you are! (2.00 / 1)

I saw you go tit for tat over at the Big Orange (abortion diary) and as a fellow Kossack it was really impressive. Alot of people wouldn't have the guts do that and after settling them down  (can't blame them) you actually got a great debate going.

It's lonely out there with your own blog so try to build your rep up first (if you care about the hits) and see how that goes. Hey, it worked for alegre!  :o) LOL!

Seriously though, you can count on me rec'in you diaries and pluggin them as I see fit.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:55:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Of course you are! (2.00 / 1)

Well, here you go!

http://reaper0bot0.blogspot.com/


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 11:58:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Of course you are! (none / 0)

Heh.  I've thought about starting my own blog but I don't think I can make the consistant time commitment.  I'll be happy if I can just get around to getting my business web site populated with some real content.  Should have time now that the consulting market is slowing down, but now I'm swamped trying to get my rental properties rentable.  Totally in 'preparing for the crash' mode over here.


by protothad on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:06:57 AM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

I do it every day, assuming the weather isn't too nasty, between April and December. Granted, it's only a 6 mile round-trip, so I hardly work up a sweat. Plus, I have the luxury of dressing casually.

Basically, anything I have to do within a 5 mile perimeter I do on bike these days.

I need a good pannier that would double as a shoulder bag. Any ideas?


"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible
by BobzCat on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:04:29 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Sadly, no.

17 miles 1 way & half of route is 6 lanes across with no alternatives.

Pathetically, my commute is on the short for my metro area.


by QTG on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:04:48 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

I used to bike, till my 3rd bicycle got stolen.


by stevent on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:38:10 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Maybe you should start stealing bikes then?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:39:56 AM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Yes, Like the movie "The Bicycle Thief" which is great by the way.  But actually that didn't turn out so well in the end so I wouldn't recommend it.  

But if you do it anyway, take a small child (preferably a cute one) along who will cry and beg them not to take their daddy.


by Tenafly Viper on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:30:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Yes, Like the movie "The Bicycle Thief" which is great by the way.  But actually that didn't turn out so well in the end so I wouldn't recommend it.  

But if you do it anyway, take a small child (preferably a cute one) along who will cry and beg them not to take their daddy.


by Tenafly Viper on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:30:05 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

In theft prone areas, it's a good idea to remove the front tire and lock it to the back tire and frame.  This is much easier with road  bikes, or anything with thin tires.  If there's no bike racks around, I have no qualms locking to a sign or parking meter.  Also, u-lock, u-lock, u-lock!  They fit well tucked into belts behind you if you don't want to carry a bag or use that awful frame attachment.


by semiquaver on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:06:08 PM EST
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Complete Streets Act is pending in Congress (2.00 / 1)

Senator Tom Harkin (D, IA) and Senator Tom Carper (D, DE) introduced the Complete Streets Act of 2008 earlier this year. More details on this bill and links to information about Complete Streets are here:

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDia ry.do?diaryId=1063

Representative Doris Matsui (D, CA) introduced the companion bill in the House:

http://www.bikesbelong.org/node/619186

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDia ry.do?diaryId=1431

Call your representatives in Congress and ask them to co-sponsor this bill, especially if they serve on the Transportation Committee.

Bike lanes are not hard to add and make a real difference. I would bike more if there were more streets in my city with bike lanes.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:53:07 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Seriously I would ride a bike everywhere if I could- but too many people around here get run over. bike lanes are super scarce. :(

the peeps around here drive like shit and aren;t very nice to pedestrians.

[thinking about buying a motorized bike when I move; it gets like 150 mpg and has a retro style about it.  i like the idea of it versus buying a car-]


"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:18:36 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

Just a word for all you motorists bothered by bicycles on YOUR
streets during rush hour.
You're in a giant metal box on fire that is spewing filth into the air
propelled by fuel  purchased from oppressive theocracies as well as funding  wahabis in Pakistan. I drive more than i  bicycle these days due to injury, but that's about to change soon.
As i drive, i never lose the perspective  of how detrimental my mode of transport is, and I happily yield to fellow  bicyclists. Every single combustion engine one can take off the streets is a victory on a daily basis.
You should be grateful for  every bicycist you see, even if in front of your bourgie ass in rush hour traffic taking the lane.
He/She has to choke on the fumes from your firebox on wheels.
Doesn't seem a fair tradeoff.

Doesn't matter, your car is going the way of a dodo soon, only the wealthy will drive.

Go vegan, by the way. (flame on)


by Zorkon on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:35:47 AM EST

WTF? (none / 0)

KMR1964 needs to take that shit back to Redstate.

Seriously. someone squelch this ass.


by Zorkon on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:39:22 AM EST

Commuting by bike for last 15years (none / 0)

As a quality of life issue My wife and I have refused to live in a place where we can't bike to work.  I love biking and hate driving.  My wife and I have a car and last time we filled it up was 2 months ago and it still has half a tank.


by Ruckus on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:39:56 AM EST

use zipcar instead (none / 0)

why bother with the insurance and monthly payments??


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:21:53 AM EST
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I've been biking too (none / 0)

Every other day.  It takes my commute from 60 minutes each day up to 100 minutes each day.  I think of the extra 40 minutes as exercise time.

Most of my commute is on the Minuteman Path.  But there is a part that is through the streets of Arlington.  Its scary.  More dedicated lanes for bicycles would be great.


by dbrown04 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:15:58 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (2.00 / 1)

My whole family (wife, 4-year-old) got Trek bikes this year; and while most of our joint riding has been for fun (we look like a family of ducks, with the training-wheeled kid in the middle), I've started biking to work, the market -- and love it.

I stopped feeling like sweaty crud after the first couple weeks, now just feel sweaty. The big problem, even trumping lack of bike lanes for me: (and that's a big problem) -- there's few if any places to lock the thing up! Street signs will do, but would a bike rack or two kill the county's budget?

The answer I've gotten so far: yes. Yes it would. Still something worth agitating for.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:34:59 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Bicycling is not feasible for me whatsoever. I do have some people who bike near me. I hate to generalize but overall many of them are very inconsiderate. I don't understand why they insist on bicycling on highways!  It is dangerous & they never seem to look where they are going.  I don't have time to deal with that & worry about getting hit by someone else when I am trapped behind a cyclist who has no shoulder that is bobbing & weaving. It is a serious safety hazard & a car accident waiting to happen. If you want to cycle fine, go someplace with less traffic and/or bike lanes.

Also I understand that I am supposed to yield to pedestrians but cyclists need to look before they cross the street too. I turned into a place one time & had a cyclist come up & start getting violent practically with me b/c I "cut him off" What happened to actually looking before you cross the street??? Of course I didn't ask the lunatic that question but WTF?  I'm just supposed to tie up traffic & wait for him to come down the corner & cross the intersection b/c I anticipate that he is too good to look both ways before crossing?


by jrsygrl on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:02:48 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Honest question here:

Who had the right of way?  A bicycle is the same as a car when it comes to right of way.

Also, you have friends cycling on the interstate?  That's illegal and suicidal.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:42:52 AM EST
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highway != interstate (none / 0)

I'm not sure how safe old country roads are for a bike...


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:23:40 AM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

A. The guy was crossing over a parking lot towards my blind spot attempting to pass me on my right.  If he wants to be like a car then don't pass me on my right & not look both ways before crossing an intersection.  He shouldn't have just kept riding but he obviously had several blocks in his brain which caused him to be an idiot and then act abusive instead of thanking god he didn't run into my car.

B. I don't have FRIENDS that ride bikes anywhere really except back roads/residential areas.  I am not talking about riding a bike on the turnpike for God's sake there is an in between highway that has 2 or 3 lanes which have urban/office/retail outfits around...Those are inappropriate and unsafe especially when they choose to cross over another 3 lane highway (not an interstate although connected to one) when your 2 lane (previously 3 lane highway is merging into one lane but said bicyclist doesn't have a bike path or shoulder & is crossing with a traffic light so traffic gets tied up. Happens often & then they get annoyed when cars dare to get annoyed by having to deal with this. You want to ride a bike; great do it on back roads, bike paths & residential streets not highways (which doesn't necessarily equal an interstate in my state at least).


by jrsygrl on Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 07:21:32 PM EST
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Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

I pulled my bike out of storage last fall and use it to run errands when I'm home in my small town.

My car is now for highway driving only.

But when I do drive, I hypermile, and I've increased my gas mileage a lot, from 33.4 mpg. to 37.1+, getting 100 more miles on a tank of gas.

My bike is in the shop now getting a tune up since it was in storage for so long, and I know I'm going to be using it a lot more now.

Hypermiling when I have to drive and biking when I don't. Got the saddle bags and everything for groceries.


by Juno on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:57:27 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Good job. =)

Now, how about 2 days a week ?

I have been riding since I have 6....dont imagine I will ever stop !!  Unfortunately, I cannot ferry my daughters around on the bicycle, so I am reduced to 2-3 days/week now!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:08:54 AM EST

Re: Commuting by Bicycle - Are You Up to It? (none / 0)

Rear-facing trailers with two seats are cheap and safe, though I'd